just jodi arias. >> you'd be in the courtroom saying this defendant -- >> no question. and pointing to her. and playing to that theory. the real issue, though, is whether or not they can save her life. she's not going to be acquitted. keeping the needle out of her arm -- >> do you agree with that, lisa? that this is all about keeping her off of death row. >> if the jury believes the self-defense theory, it's a home run for jodi arias, but i don't think expect to see that. she's hoping for a manslaughter conviction which will save her from the death penalty. >> you mentioned the experts a few moments ago. we had various witnesses testifying she has everything from ptsd, battered women syndrome and borderline personality syndrome. do the experts wash each other out? >> sometimes it's the benefit of the defendant, what you've done is muddy the water. the prosecution has a very strong forensic case, strong circumstantial evidence. they didn't really need to get into the argument over what mental defect she had. >> i think the jurors are going to focus on the stab wounds in